Someone weighing in the "evidence of Earhart being on Saipan." This person wrote:
"But do you have any non-mystical basis for saying that there is "no evidence" of AE on Nikumaroro?"
I think he might be referring to my research ("Hacking the Afterlife") where Amelia, or someone who knows as much about Amelia as I do - confirmed details via the use of three mediums, one who works with law enforcement agencies nationwide and missing person cases.
Let's just assume that's what he's referring to - if I may.
I didn't ask "Amelia" any questions I didn't already know the answers to. Using three different mediums, I asked the mediums the questions - I already knew the answers - and in each case, these mediums, who didn't know anything about Earhart's trip or what I'd discovered in my 30 years of research, including working on every major feature film about her as a consultant or researcher - said the thing I already knew.
Except in one case. That was with Jennifer Shaffer, a medium who has worked with NYPD commissioner Bill Bratton, FBI agents and others on cases (out of public purview, but verifiable). In my filming her - I ask simple, direct questions. I asked what "happened to her body?"
"Amelia" offered that the "two soldiers who dug her up only found an arm." Jennifer could not have heard of this - because I had not. I was aware who the two GI's were - and their report about digging her up. But that they "only found an arm?"
It took me six months to find the evidence of that claim - which was made in 1977, published by UPI in The Chicago Tribune. Wasn't easy to find at that time. The "two GI's" who claimed to have been ordered to dig her up said "We only found an arm and a partial ribcage."
The point of the story wasn't that "aha! I've found another detail!" it was to simply say that there was only person (no longer on the planet) who could have told Jennifer (and me) that detail (on camera.)
Not mystical. Unless one considers UPI a mystical source.
But I digress.
My reply to this wag's comment was:
"One might consider...that there was a settlement on Nikumaroro in the 1920s. So there's going to be plenty of detritus to sort thru. (on that island.)
What trip is this now.., the 7th or 8th to the island of Nikumaroro? So far found a man's shoe and turtle bones.
Meanwhile on camera, there are 15 new eyewitnesses who claim to have seen her on Saipan. (See some samples to the right of this post.)
People who fed her, washed her clothes, son whose mother treated her in the hospital, 2 gents who saw her in a truck on the same day guarded by Japanese soldiers, (that's 2 different fellas on the same day) ... then there's the US Marines (for those white folks who can't seem to bring themselves to believe accounts of indigenous people) who found her briefcase, passport, book of photos of her (from japanese home) found the electra, guarded it, flew it, watched it burn... dug up her body.
Do you mean those fellas? You'd think if all these folks were making up a story, there'd be one similar made up story somewhere else, on some other island by some other lying US Marine or islander...maybe even a single one on Nikumaroro -- which is not deserted, never deserted by locals.. just not inhabited by "Europeans."
To date not a single eyewitness to emerge from another island. Yet over 200 on Saipanese (via Fred Goerner, Les, Dick, Mike Harris and others) claim to have seen her.
Funny how that detail seems mystical. It's mystical and mysterious why people aren't paying attention to eyewitnesses. You know.. people who saw her.
|Father saw her come ashore. His story|
matched another eyewitnesses word for word.
|Saw her come ashore. Her story is identical to|
the father of another eyewitness.
To which our pal and long time researcher, former Federal investigator Les Kinney posted a reply:
"Tighar says all those witnesses, including the highest ranking military officers were all suffering from "False Memory Perception."
The initial poster replied:
Like a somewhat wise man once said, "trust but verify." I'd say that no court SHOULD allow convictions based SOLELY on eyewitness testimony, but eyewitness testimony should certainly be admissible in court with appropriate caveats. Like any other evidence. The problem with the AE-on-Saipan eyewitness evidence is that it's tainted seven ways from Sunday, and I, at least, am too stupid to figure out how to separate the wheat from the chaff.
|Currently serves in the US Military. His uncle saw|
her in a prison cell when he was incarcerated next to her.
To which I replied:
"I love that one. "False memory perception." I call that "the racist filter." No other way to communicate it. Otherwise there would be cases of false memory perception on many islands. Or even one. Can't be that only one island's got this false memory disease. Unless they made it up.
And bless (this poster's) heart, but clearly he's never seen any of that footage of the US Marines talking about what they saw on Saipan. But then - they're US Marines, and they tend to not prevaricate, or use terms like "seven ways to Sunday" when it comes to their testimonials. In general - the US Marines tend to stick to what they saw. Islanders on the other hand - if you actually watched any of their interviews - do the same.
I can tell you this - and I don't know the person who posted this comment, but I will share this for your edification - Saipanese are extremely reluctanct to speak or appear on camera. There's a reason for this - and those who claim they've got false memories are injecting their own prejudices onto them.
|Was 12 when he saw her on the back of a truck.|
His story matched another eyewitnesses story word for word. If it's a
false memory - how can the details match 70 years after the fact and
the two eyewitnesses have never met?
So getting a Saipanese to speak on camera and say "I saw Amelia Earhart" is next to impossible. They might say "I saw a European woman who was dressed like a man who had her hands tied behind her back." But they will never ever say something that they saw without adding "I didn't know who this person was at the time, but I do now." They just won't do it. On or off camera.
|His mother tended to AE's wounds and she swore|
him to silence. Until this interview.
|Lived next door to the prison. Her grandfather told her how|
he witnessed the beheading of an American pilot (that was a man,
and he was shot down in April 44, later verified details.)
The Japanese (after the soldiers from Manchuria arrived) started chopping off heads of kids who didn't bow low enough. Up until 1939 they got along well with the Japanese who ran their schools... but once the Manchurian battled weary soldiers arrived - everything changed.
|Works at the musuem, spoke of the Japanese Saipanese|
relationship and documents from those years.
|He and his family were kicked out of their home, lived|
in a cave. He helped gather the testimony for the shoot,
as the locals trusted him that I wasn't exploiting (or paying) anyone.
Prior to Japan taking over the island in 1914, it was German and then Spanish. Many of their epistles are in Spanish. This one GI - a US soldier spoke Spanish and they replied from their caves... so they weren't "torched in the caves" by flame throwers.
|In the Marshalls - saw her plane in Jaluit.|
|In the Marshalls. Heard they'd captured a spy.|
|Marine spokesman who said troops told him they'd found|
AE's photos in a commander's office on Saipan, was told
by fellow soldiers they saw her plane on Aslito.
|Andrew Bryce, worked with a stevedore who corroborated the story|
of putting the Electra on a barge to a Japanese ship.
|Devine corroborated the story Nabers (below) told|
of stopping Navy officers from coming in to see the Electra on Aslito.
|Doug Bryce went with fellow GI's to Aslito,|
saw the Electra in a hangar being guarded.
He told everyone after the war - was not believed by
anyone except his brother (above) who was told
by a stevedore he'd transported it.
So you're flat out wrong about the "7 ways to Sunday comment." Saipan became a training base for the CIA (it's still there, deserted, as well as the satellite equipment.) Saipan is still used by "black ops" (I interviewed a number of islanders about them) and they've been told since the US arrived - "Don't talk to anyone upon penalty of death." Saipan has been used as toxic site for dumping US chemicals from the military for years. Empty drums from PCB's litter the island.
|Remains of a US tracking station in the hills of Saipan.|
|All surveys done with permission of Saipanese govt.|
If they knew a story about Earhart (mom washed her clothes, mom took care of her at the hospital, etc) they told me. I didn't tell them anything about what I already knew, or what Goerner knew.
Saipanese refer to the War as beginning in July of 1944. Because that's when it began for them.
Anyways, I could go on - but I recommend,just watch the interviews. Listen to people tell their story. Open up your mind. If you' were even remotely correct - that they were lying or prevaricating or "misremembering" then you'd have to explain where that didn't occur on ANY OTHER ISLAND (ever) or how US Marines could tell the exact same stories other islanders have told consistently Sorry.
|Public forum in Saipan|
|Many new testimonials|
I can tell you that when I arrived on Saipan, the US liason pulled me aside and said "I'm friends with the guys from Tighar, and I want you to know that what you're doing is nonsense." I said to him the same I'll say to you - "Well, let's see what people say."
He listened, he attended a public talk we gave with what we found - and he heard from islanders that he knew his whole life, whom he trusted ... and after hearing them tell their story in this meeting (it's on YouTube on EarhartOnSaipan.com) he said "I have to tell you - I was a skeptic. I didn't believe a word prior to this meeting. But I know these people. I know they are honest people. And if they said they saw her, saw her plane, heard and knew what happened to her - I've changed my mind."
|US liason in Saipan who was a "total skeptic" until|
hearing the public forum on the topic.
It's never too late to hear the truth.